Robbie is joined by his Elder and good friend Chris Wise. This is a deep dive conversation about spirituality, being human, and a deeper insight into Robbie’s path of healing.
Chris carries the teachings of his Apache Grandfather. They spent many summers walking through the rocky mountains, living a “wild” lifestyle. The teachings shared with Chris as a boy have defined his entire life, and have been the cornerstone of how he shares and guides others. These are called “The 7 Grandfather Teachings”, and they help people live a life of Love, through building a strong spiritual foundation.
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Building your Spiritual Foundation using the 7 Teachings
(00:00) – Podcast intro
(01:11) – The start of Chris & Robbie’s journey together – The 7 Teachings & Truth
(02:57) – Building a Spiritual Foundation
(05:59) – The journey of growth and healing, and how important it is to have support
(13:09) – We share about the need for Continuous Learning and Improvement. Even when we are elders, we still find new ways to grow
(13:59) – the purpose of the spiritual journey, which is to engage with life with more love, truth, humility, and presence.
(18:19) – Silent Knowledge and how to Connect spiritually with Nature
(32:32) – The importance of praying for those who have passed on
(46:24) – the potential for humans, when we combine love with modern technology.
(55:23) The legacy we leave is the positive ripple effect and impact on the lives of others
(60:24) – Conclusion, closing and talk at you later.
Welcome to the Awakened Living podcast with Robbie J. Bone. Through ancient & modern spiritual practices, we offer valuable tools, practices & wisdom to enhance your Human Experience.
In today’s episode, Robbie has a deep chat with his Elder and Colleague Chris Wise. They go deep into their path together, and how the 7 Teachings Chris shared helped Robbie on a deep and profound level.
The 7 Teachings:
- Truth
- Honesty
- Courage
- Bravery
- Respect
- Humility
- Wisdom
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- Robbie:
- Start the ceremony (00:41)
- Delve into truth and self-discovery (00:49)
- Continue personal growth and good work (01:14)
- Live a spiritual lifestyle (01:27)
- Engage with life with more love, truth, humility, and presence (01:38)
- Explore and improve oneself (08:13)
- Teach and learn from others (08:18)
- Look into oneself, feel oneself, and know one’s energy from outside influences (08:28)
- Separate oneself from negative energies and set them aside (08:42)
- Recognize and fix imperfections within oneself (09:09)
- Continuously learn and grow (10:19)
- Teach and learn from others (10:44)
- Focus on positive, loving thoughts and experiences (10:58)
- Create a ripple effect of positivity and healing (11:08)
- Make good choices for future lifetimes (11:51)
- Uncle Joe Chambers (mentioned in passing):
- Say a prayer for his family (31:32)
- Nature:
- Leave nature alone and let it thrive (43:33)
- Elon Musk (mentioned in passing):
- Show him solutions to solve the starvation and homeless problems (48:30)
- Aquaponics garden:
- Create a community aquaponics garden to provide food and support homeless people (49:24)
- Everyone:
- Choose to live in a way that benefits nature (53:24)
- Focus on positive actions and choices that compound positively over seven generations (53:43)
- Live a lifestyle of love and be nice to others (57:59)
- Build better communities and provide homes for people (58:29)
- Take care of nature and live in harmony with it (59:32)
- Leave a positive legacy for future generations (1:00:08)
- These are the tangible action items mentioned in the transcript, attributed to the responsible individuals or groups.
Outline of Episode – Building your Spiritual Foundation using the 7 Teachings
Chapter 1: The Month of Truth
- 00:49 – 01:20
- The speaker reflects on a month of intense exploration and growth, referring to it as the “month of truth.”
- They mention engaging in conversations and delving into deep truths during this period.
Chapter 2: Building a Spiritual Foundation
- 01:57 – 03:38
- The speaker discusses the process of building a spiritual foundation, comparing it to constructing a physical structure like a deck or a dome.
- They mention accumulating spiritual knowledge through various experiences and ceremonies, and how it all came together to create a solid foundation.
Chapter 3: Personal Growth and Healing
- 05:59 – 08:31
- The speaker talks about their personal journey of growth and healing, which was facilitated by their work together with someone else.
- They express gratitude for the other person’s ability to help them look within, understand their own energy, and make positive changes in their life.
Chapter 4: Continuous Learning and Improvement
- 11:09 – 11:59
- The speaker emphasizes the importance of continuous learning and improvement in their spiritual path.
- They mention that even after 35 years, they still find new things to explore and ways to grow.
Chapter 5: Purpose and Engagement with Life
- 11:59 – 12:54
- The speaker reflects on the purpose of their spiritual journey, which is to engage with life with more love, truth, humility, and presence.
- They mention going through dark times and finding their way out, emphasizing the beauty of the journey.
Chapter 6: Unspoken Knowledge and Connection with Nature
- 17:19 – 18:57
- The speaker discusses the inherent understanding of truth and connection with nature, even if it’s difficult to put into words.
- They mention the importance of making agreements with nature and connecting with its truth on deeper levels.
Chapter 7: Creating a Positive Impact
- 45:24 – 49:32
- The speaker talks about the potential for humans, with their technology and loving hearts, to regenerate and help nature flourish in a shorter period of time than it would naturally take.
- They mention the idea of considering the impact of our actions on future generations, emphasizing the importance of making good choices.
Chapter 8: Ripple Effect and Creative Process
- 54:23 – 55:27
- The speaker compares the work they are doing with someone else to a creative process, hoping that it will create a ripple effect and positively impact the lives of others.
- They mention the compounding effects of actions over seven generations and the profoundness of such a process.
Chapter 9: Continuing the Conversation and Engagement
- 59:24 – 1:01:41
- The speakers express their intention to continue sharing and having conversations together.
- They invite listeners to ask questions and provide feedback, as it helps them have focused discussions on specific topics.
- Note: This outline is based on the content and timestamps provided in the transcript. It is possible that some chapters could be further subdivided or expanded upon depending on the context and the depth of discussion within each section.
Notes
- The speaker talks about being on the phone for hours delving into truth.
- They discuss how their work is like building a spiritual foundation.
- The speaker appreciates the ability to introspect and differentiate their energy from external influences.
- Working with the other person has helped the speaker gain new insights and understand themselves better.
- The process of self-improvement is ongoing and involves cultivating qualities like love, truth, humility, and presence.
- The speaker mentions the importance of assessing situations and comparing them to nature to find the truth.
- They express difficulty in articulating their thoughts and realizing the role of messengers in their lives.
- The speaker emphasizes the value of being alive and the potential for personal growth and positive choices.
- They discuss the compounding effects of positive actions over multiple generations.
- The conversation touches on aspirations and the speaker’s family members’ career goals.
- The speakers express gratitude for their conversations and encourage feedback and questions from listeners.
Full Transcript :
It wasn’t until later on the phone, was it? Yeah, because that was really crazy. At 01:00 in the morning, a bear came to my bedroom window and growled and scratched on the window and woke me up. My wife says, there’s a bear at the window. I says, I know, I’m getting up. Then I got up and I went to the bathroom. And as soon as I got done going to the bathroom, the phone rang and it was Robbie. He had just left, what, an hour and a half before, and we talked. All the sun came up that morning, almost, I think. But that’s when I gave him the seven teachings. We started the ceremony. That was a fun experience. We were on the phone almost every night, four or 5 hours a night, really going into the know, really delving into truth.
That was an exciting month, the month of truth. Robbie discovered all kinds of things about himself that he didn’t realize. He knew a different part of himself. And that was really cool to see. Did some great growing and a lot of good work in that period. You might want to, I don’t know, talk about that a little bit, what that was for you.
Yeah, it was a really transformational time because it was right after that fourth year of the vision quest. And yeah, it was like setting everything into place is how it felt. Felt like locking in many years of experiences and really solidifying them in my system. I think one of our first conversations you had talked about how this kind of work is like building a spiritual foundation. It’s like building a foundation, which is sometimes tedious work. And the most important. I remember were just building a foundation here, a platform for a deck, for a dome. And it was like we spent the most time was actually setting up the foundation.
Because if one little piece is off by even just like a little like a 16th of an inch, then the next thing is off and the next thing and then by the time you build the floor, it’s like a whole inches off, and then you don’t have a good floor. It’s totally off, and it’s wonky I think about that example because I love that example of building that foundation. And so, in a way, it felt like many years of searching and sitting in different ceremonies and learning and growing and gaining a lot of spiritual knowledge through those things. Because when we sit in those sacred spaces, sometimes we get stuff put inside of us and we have no idea it’s there, it’s hidden in plain sight until the time is right for us where we need it.
And so it was like years and years of that accumulation, and then it felt like we poured the foundation so that all that knowledge could have something to be rooted in. And it was really a potent time. It was a very potent time. Yeah, it was really coming out of darkness for me. It was really coming out of darkness would be the best.
One of the crazy things that I’ve experienced in my life is that you ever watch a Tim Burton movie like Christmas before the Christmas cartoon movies that he does, they’re all wonky looking and out of whack and stuff like that. Right. So, like, people doing metaphysical work or doing spiritual work or doing get involved in spiritual things or even going to church every week and doing the church thing every week and stuff like that. When you look at them with spiritual lives and you see their lives with spiritual eyes, they look like those buildings in Tim Burton’s movie because they don’t have that solid spiritual foundation. They haven’t figured out that connection part with the Creator that walking and talking with him and having him as a part of their lives every day and every second of the day.
Not that they’re not metaphysical or spiritual or that they don’t include the Creator in their lives. It’s the difference between doing it once a day or once a week versus doing it every second of the day is a huge thing. Right. Is that one of the things that was really surprising to you?
Yeah, it was totally. That really learning how to live a spiritual lifestyle. And part of it, too, was like, before meeting you. I’d been on this deep journey for, I mean, a long time since I’ve been on it since I was, like, 16 years old. But more specifically, when I think on that time, it was like January of that year up until our connection, which was the end of June. So seven months leading up to when I met you, that seven month period, it was interesting because I really felt like I was already in like, when I look back, I see that I was already in the ceremony that were doing. And we know that time and space is not actually real. And so, in a way, our work had begun before.
And then when I met you, I was so much more ready for everything that we did. And so when I look on that time, it’s interesting, too, because who is it that’s doing the work and who is it that is teaching the work? And it all goes back to spirit. It all goes back to the Creator. And so when I look at that seven months before meeting you, I was actually doing really extensive work with some qigong and meditation, and I was working with some therapy kind of well, not really therapy. It wasn’t therapy, but I had some friends that were supporting me in that kind of sense.
And that helped you with the foundation to come into the things that we yeah.
A process of purification had begun through the meditation, the qigong, some of the healing I was doing, and when I met you, it was like I was really right. And when we started the work together, it really just locked all of that in place and helped me to bring a lot of that healing into the way that I was living in each moment. And that’s where I found the indigenous kind of earth based ways can be so complementary to the eastern ways, like the Taoist ways or like the Vedic ways, is that in the east, it’s an amazing vehicle for going inward and discovering God within us and the soul within us, and that contemplation and deep space of consciousness. And in the indigenous or earth based ways, it’s like so much about living life.
And so together, at least on my own path, we can’t generalize just in my own experience of it. It really complements each other. It locks things into place because it helps us to live that space of bliss and meditation in our daily lives and bring it in a way of serving and supporting life and creation and wherever we’re supposed to be.
It’s a pretty neat balance. It really is a neat balance that you found between the two. I really like that balance. I like the way that you can go into yourself, really look into yourself, feel yourself, and knowing your energy from outside energies, from influences. One of the things that I really enjoyed the most about the process of working with you was that you had this ability to seriously look at and say, wow, you’re right. That’s not me. That’s not my energy. That’s something I picked up along the way, you know what I’m saying? And changed my behavior and lifestyle. And I realized that energy is separate from me, and you were able to separate yourself and set those things aside, and that was really I thought that was really cool.
I’d never gone to that, I guess, extent of being that self aware myself. For me, it was always just the experience of whatever was going on in the moment and just being in the experience. And not really part of what you’re talking about is that learning that part of it, adding that part of it to my own life, it’s been kind of neat because I can find things within my own life that I didn’t get this right or I didn’t do that right, or I’m missing respect in this or I’m lacking humility in that. So I’m able to separate some of those energies and recognize them and actually see them where before I was more fixed and believed that I had it all figured out. So it was kind of refreshing to, oh, wow, more levels to understand and know and learn.
And I think that’s one of the coolest things about this lifestyle is that it’s a continuous thing. I mean, I started this 35 years ago myself, so that’s a long time to be working on yourself. But, man, it’s a lot of fun when you find new things that you need to fix. So I enjoy that part of it. And working with you has been such an even exchange because as much as I’ve taught you, I’ve learned about myself, which is fun. And one of the things working together here recently, we’ve discovered is that right? The more you teach it, the more you learn.
Yeah, exactly. We’re all growing together. And one of the things that you mentioned about that is really cool is this idea of, like, we’re a constant work in progress. You’ve been doing this 35 years, and you’re still finding new things to explore, new things to improve, new things to grow. And first of all, what I appreciate about that in my life and with working with you and becoming building the relationship that we’ve built together is that it always has purpose. There’s always a sense of purpose. And whether the world around us is in chaos or in harmony, there’s always purpose. And it’s not a purpose like, oh, I’m out doing my purpose. Like, whatever. It’s an internal process of just how can I engage with life with more love and more truth and more humility and more presence?
And then also, it’s like as men need projects.
You got to stay busy.
Yeah, exactly. Men like to tinker around with shit. And I personally have never been mechanically inclined or been one to build houses or anything or do carpentry or anything like that. I’ve never been, like, a hands on, physical kind of guy. What’s really always drawn me is the inner work, because that’s what happened. I went through some really dark times and had to find my way out of it. And now I can really connect with that part of Manhood where it’s like, yeah, just working, tinkering, always exploring. And for me, that’s an internal process that I really value. And it’s a beautiful journey.
That’s so cool and that’s so true. I’m a mechanic. I do HVAC and mechanical work by trade. And so I love working with my hands. I love wrenching on things and fixing things and troubleshooting things and thinking things through and all of that. And that’s essentially what you’re talking about. It’s the same thing. It’s like, you look at a problem, you go, okay, how can I fix that? How is it supposed to be perfect? What would it look like when it’s not broke, when it needs to be? For me, what I learned in life by troubleshooting and by working in the mechanic, the industry was that there’s a way that everything works the way it’s supposed to work, and then there’s a way that it works when it’s broke, when it’s not in sync, when it’s not in balance, when it’s not harmonized.
And so our lives are a lot the same way. When we’re out of balance, things get hunky and chunky over here in this area or that area, and start to make noise and break down. And whether it’s relationships or physical ailments or emotional things or mental things, we start to break down. So come back to spirit and get whole again and be whole unto ourselves. But to know what that looks like to begin with, that’s the trick, right? What does a whole perfect person look like? How does that operate and work? Once you know what that looks like is perfect, then you can look at what’s imperfect in it and say, okay, this is what I need to fix. And the thing about looking internally is that when you’re working on a piece of mechanical equipment, you got a set of blueprints.
You’ve got to manufacture specs. They built it. They engineered it. They designed it to work a certain way, right? And so it’s easy to follow that specs and say, yeah, it’s not working this way because this is broke or this isn’t right, or that isn’t right. But when you’re working on yourself and you don’t have a model or a specs or any of that, then you have to really listen to the creator. You really have to pay attention to what’s going on in your environment and how you emotionally react to things and how you see things and how you perceive things and assess situations. You have to be very careful not to be judgmental, because if you’re judgmental, that throws the troubleshooting side of it all out of whack.
Because your judgment could be if you misjudge just one part of it now, you’ve troubleshot down an alley. That’s a goose chase. That was a total waste of time, where if you’re more honest and upfront and not judgmental, then you tend to find the problems within yourself a lot easier. That’s just as analogy for myself and how I’ve always worked on it. When you look at nature and look at the harmony that nature is and how everything lives its purpose and works in its purpose, for us as human beings, that’s the perfect example of knowing truth and knowing where we’re not in harmony or in balance, comparing our lives to what’s going on in nature. And it’s neat because nature seems like it’s chaotic, but it’s also organized, and so that’s the coolest thing about it.
Yeah, I remember that was one of the first things you shared with me, was how truthful nature is. I remember were sitting or standing outside in Colorado, and you said you were sharing a bunch of stuff like you do, and you were like, but don’t take my word for it. Go to nature and whatever anyone tells you, take it to nature and compare it to nature and hold it up to nature and see if it’s truthful. Nature will reveal the truth of what that is and pull the truth out of it. And it’s a funny thing because I think so many of us feel that inherently, we just don’t always know how to put words to it. And so there’s a reason that whether someone is spiritually inclined or everyone feels a certain energy in nature, there’s a truth there.
There’s a peace there. There’s a love there. And I know for me, I’ve always felt that I just never had put those words to it or had that consciousness of how to articulate it. And that can be the power of that spiritual knowledge, is to really have a perception shift where we can consciously become aware of what we’re already experiencing. And then that’s when a lot of magic happens. Then we can start to make prayers and, like, we talk about, make agreements with nature and connect with that truth on deeper layers. And then miracles happen every day, and it’s like we just have to have the eyes to see them miraculous things all the time, things that are beyond our conception or perception of what might occur.
Today went for a little walk, me and my mom and my partner, and went for a walk, and we had left an apple outside. And this apple had been eaten a bit by a mouse. It had some scratch marks on it. So my partner noticed it, and she’s like, oh, man, what happened to this apple? I was like, oh, mouse got it. And I was like, I have a plan for it. And so I’m the guy that’s always, like, leaving little bits of food in nature. And my mom and my partner know this about me, so they just assumed I had a plan for it like that. And so I was like, But I have something different I’m going to do with this apple. And they were all like, what are you going to do with it?
And we usually go on this one walk through the woods, and I took them up the road instead. And they’re looking at me like, where the hell are you taking us? What is going on here? We’re walking up the road, and I said, Here we go. And I stopped on the side of the road because there’s a huge ant hill there. They had never seen it, but I see it every day because ants are like my favorite little insects. And so I put that apple on the ant hill, and we just sat there for about 15 minutes, and we watched the ants. This was a big ant hill. It was significant. And we just watched the ants in their ordered chaos. There’s just thousands of ants pulling sticks in all these different directions.
And this one ant is pulling a stick that’s like, it can’t even move it. It’s too heavy. But then somehow another ant appears, and they can’t even see each other. But somehow they work together to orchestrate getting this stick up the hill. And it’s impossible to put these things into words because I just sound like some dude that ate some mushrooms and is like, oh, my God, dude, I talked to a tree and it was crazy, but it was amazing. It was a miracle to me. And were all amazed by these little ants and how they seemed to have no logic order. And yet they built this freaking at the end, were like, but they built this ant hill. They obviously have a lot of order. They know what they’re doing. They live in their purpose.
They’re living their truth. They managed to build this huge ant hill. And it’s amazing to think like a little ant, thousands of little ants work together to build ant hill. And none of them had the vision for it. None of them could have seen the ant hill. They’re just kind of doing the ant thing, building the hill. So that was a moment for me that now I relate to that as like a miraculous moment. There is God, there is creator, there is the miracle of life.
Did they eat the apple?
Yeah, a little bit. I realized they probably like eggs and meat more. We got to bring them some of. Those more protein eaters.
Yeah, more protein. I apologize. I felt like a bit of a jerk. I had put the apple right on top of the hill because I thought, oh, they’re all just going to go to it and love it. And they weren’t really into so anyway, now I’ve learned bring some meat.
So now you dig meat over there and they go nuts.
Yeah, exactly.
Go all over it.
Well, yeah, I haven’t done it yet, but I’m going to. We learned it in Mexico, actually, because were down in Mexico this year, and these ants come through your house in Mexico, like were just renting a place and they’ll just be an endless line of these ants. They go like, you know, the ants go marching two by two. They do that there’s like rows of four and a never ending highway of ants and they just raid your kitchen. You can’t do anything about it. Endless amount. So we started putting little pieces of food in the yard so they would take that instead of going into our house. It didn’t really work, but it was fun. And we noticed that they didn’t really like the fruit that much. They actually loved egg more than anything.
So fun fact, do you ever have a pet aunt?
They really like eggs, scrambled eggs of butter. Is that the way they like it? Scrambled?
Yeah, scrambled or sunny side up.
Over easy. If they break the yolk, they could drown.
So they don’t like.
Yeah, I love ants. They’re like the bikers of the insect community. They’re just like, whatever. They’re going to do whatever they want, they’re going to go where they want. And it’s not like anyone in SEC can stop them from doing whatever they got in their minds to do. They’re just going to go do it. It doesn’t matter how big or huge you are or how small you are, just by sheer numbers, they’re going to get it done.
I remember I saw this video, actually, like a National Geographic thing about ants, and they showed this one place. I don’t know where it was, but these ants come out and they hunt spiders. And the spider was running as fast as it could away from these ants. And the spider, it was pretty big and venomous, but, yeah, it couldn’t handle the ants, so they would grab its leg, and it was pretty gruesome, actually, to watch because it’s all up close and zoomed in, and they just devoured this spider. Pretty ruthless.
Yeah, they’re the biker gang of the insect.
Watch out. Don’t ask the ants for favors. Yeah.
They’Re pretty ruthless. They are. They’re a lot of fun. Great.
One of the things about that, though, is like, we’re talking what started this was to talk about truth and how truth can be ruthless.
Man. Can it? Yeah, definitely. I went out on a I wouldn’t say a vision quest. My feeling in life has always been when everything hits the fand everything gets ugly and you don’t know what to do with yourself and you don’t know what you’re supposed to do with your life or you don’t know, where you’re supposed to handle how to handle the situation is that you go out to nature and you sit in the woods and you pray and meditate about that until you get answer. And you stay there till you get answer. I remember one time I went out, and I was having some conflict and some issues. Basically, the Creator had stopped my world and pulled the rug out from underneath my life so that I’d go somewhere else.
I didn’t want to go there, but he wanted me somewhere else. He didn’t want me where I was at. So he jerked the rug out from underneath my life and sent me. And I was really confused about what I was supposed to do. So I went out, I prayed about it, and he says, do you want me to salvage this situation? And I says, salvage what? It’s all blown to hell and there ain’t nothing to be salvaged. This can’t be fixed. And dead silence. Just like everything in nature got dead silent in that moment, as I was saying that. I mean, just like the birds stopped singing, the animals bugs stopped buzing and doing their thing. Yeah, I was next to a river, and it stopped talking and babbling. Everything in nature just went dead and quiet. The wind stopped blowing.
It was just like one of those, like you didn’t say that. I didn’t realize how arrogant I was being in that moment, telling him that. And he says, you don’t think I can fix this? He said, Very well, you just watch for a while, and things got real interesting that week. For about two weeks, he didn’t say a word to me, even though I prayed continuously to talk to him and get answers, and he just ignored me. And during that week, I saw insects that I had never seen before, and I saw insects doing things that I didn’t even know. That’s what they did. I mean, it was like a tree falls off a branch, and this insect would come along and pick it up and take care of it, shred it, dispose of it.
Deer would poo in the forest, and a dumb beetle come along, dispose of it, and clean it up. You know, and it didn’t matter what anything was going on in nature, there was an insect that could clean it up. It was just crazy. And in that moment, I saw that, and one of those insects were ants. And, yeah, it was really remarkable. It was a really remarkable two week period. Silent, quiet, painful, insuffering. I was but nonetheless, a great eye opening. I realized in that time period, after that two weeks of witnessing that he could fix anything, he can salvage anything, he could do anything. There was just, like, the miraculousness of that two week period. And what I saw bugs doing, it was nuts. It was absolutely incredible. He’s, like, got all these little helpers that clean stuff up.
The orchestration of our lives is another one that’s just a great example of how miraculous life really is, because five years, seven years before I met Robbie, I was ready to walk on, was looking at some serious problems, made some prayers and some choices, and made some decisions to do things different. And as a result of that, I ended up working with Robbie, and that was strange. The orchestration of my brother coming out, when he came out and making the prayer that he made, and then these people contacting me, I mean, all of that would not have if any one part of that had not occurred, robbie and I would not have known each other or been in contact with each other.
So there’s a lot of orchestration in the world that we don’t realize and see that the Creator does for us to bring us into places that we need to be so that we’re where we’re supposed to be, when we’re supposed to be there. That’s one of the coolest things about living this lifestyle, is that when you are really paying attention and in total surrender, the show is amazing, and the ride is incredible, and the miracles that happen are so blessed to have that life, to have that. I want to throw a shout out for my uncle, Joe Chambers. He walked on Sunday. He was a strong man, one of the strongest men I ever met in my life.
He had a VW Beetle, and he also had a really bad temperature temper, and he was this really big man and so it was really crazy to see him climb into this Beetle and climb out of it. One time he got really mad. He got so mad he pounded his fist on the steering wheel and bent it all the way to a 90 degree echo. We couldn’t drive the car. Has he been the street? So but yeah, if you are inclined, say a prayer for his family. The Chambers clan is there going through this loss. Thought I’d share that with you.
Yeah, it’s that death, the door of death, is such a big teacher, it’s such a natural part of life, and yet it’s so mysterious and kind of yeah, can be awkward for people to understand how to relate to it. And that’s one thing that this path has helped me with is just to understand, like you were saying earlier, seven years ago or ten years ago or whatever it was you were getting ready to walk on. And it’s like walk on, like walk into the next door, walk through the next door, walk on to wherever the spirit path leads us next. And that it’s not an ending, it’s not like a door, some iron door that closes and it’s just over, lights out. It’s like a door that we step through and move on to the next and so on and so forth.
That it’s just a continuation, a transformation, and in a way, that is a new beginning. And so it can bring a lot of peace to our hearts when we’re grieving and we’re experiencing loss. Because the loss is not always as real as it feels or when we know that being is not actually gone. Then we also can have compassion for ourselves and more peace around them that they are free and they get to carry where they go. And then at the same time I remember when I was visiting you a while back, maybe like a year ago, were talking about the elders that a lot of elders are passing on now, because it’s just a generation is passing on.
And we’re at this time in life where it’s like weird times on the planet, and a lot of the old ones are choosing to leave. And how when someone dies, it’s like an encyclopedia, especially these elders and wisdom keepers, when they walk on, it’s like.
They take it with them. Hopefully they passed it on to someone else. Yeah, it’s been a strange year for me for that. I’ve watched a lot of those elders walk this year, visited with a lot of them before they walked on. I watched a lot of them get sick and go to the hospital for different things, suffer physical maladies. That’s been really hard to watch. Young men that I admired and respected when I was younger and when I looked at them, they were strong and healthy and now they’re old and frail at that time. One of the strangest things for. Me is that I’ve come to the realization that I’m that next generation. That’s been very interesting for me. Never honestly thought I’d get this far. So when we talk about death, I’ve died probably six, seven times in my life.
So I’ve had a lot of trauma and a lot of near death experiences and brought back kind of stuff. And it’s become like a friend. And what’s interesting is that when you’re sitting with these elders and watching them going through what they’re going through, and you recognize that same spirit or being that you’ve sat with before, you know what I’m saying? One of the things that you realized, that I realized in this last year is that they’re just messengers. Death is not like everybody says, death is black cloak, ominous. No. Their whole job is to just explain to you that you’re dead, help you be a spirit again, help you say your goodbyes and help you move to the other side in a good way. Yeah, that’s what that spirit is. That’s what that spirit is about.
So when you realize that spirit is there all the time and that it can touch each one of us at any given second man, it gives you just a real appreciation for life. It gives you just a real for me, the sky is bluer, every day is a feast, or every meal is a feast and every day is a ceremony. It’s just a great gratitude in my heart to be alive and to be breathing. It’s like the greeting I give everybody when they go, how are you doing today? And I go, well, I got up this morning.
You’re alive.
Yeah. That’s like, for me, phenomenal. I didn’t think I always said to myself, if I lived to be 50, anything past 50 be a bonus, right? Even if I was an invalid, it’d just be a bonus. Right? Because I never thought I’d get that far. Yeah, that’s really interesting because it really helps us enjoy what we have. We’re spiritual beings here to have a physical experience, and death really helps us to have the fullest physical experience. We can have this. I know that sounds wonky and weird. Don’t go killing people. That’s not what I’m talking about.
Disclaimer leave death to the spirit of death.
Yes.
It’s not our responsibility. Yeah, I know. For me, that’s been very true. And when we have encounters with death, we realize how delicate life is. Life can be so robust and so strong, and it can also be so fragile. And when we realize that fragility, it helps us appreciate the moment. And I know that for me, my father passed away when I was 16 years old, and he was a seemingly healthy man. He was only 52 when he died. He had cancer. And so in that moment when he died, my whole world spun into deep darkness and depression. And it was a very difficult time in my life, and it was such a huge wake up call, too, because that thing like the father is that representation of the most solid thing in a person’s life generally, right? Like, the mother is the nurturer.
She gives us life. She gives us the nourishment to grow, and then the father is that strong, sturdy figure. And for my father to die at the time that he did really put in question those things that I took as sturdy and strong and thought of as always, there just that solid person, that solid presence, and I got really sick physically after that, too. So then that kind of was like a double. It was like a one two punch. It was not easy. And when that occurred, it really motivated me because there’s been many moments in my life when I’ve made a choice to live, and sometimes that choice is big, like being sick and still going out and living. Or sometimes it’s like that moment of like, hey, you want to go to ceremony?
Or, you want to go travel or you want to do this thing. And part of me is like, I don’t want to. I’d rather just hang out at home or whatever, be lazy or you know how the ego is. And then there’s this part of me that’s, like, this opportunity might not be here tomorrow. This opportunity may be gone. And it’s not something that’s like, oh, my God, so scared. Everyone might die anytime. It’s more like, well, it may not because life is fragile. COVID taught us that. COVID taught us that. We all thought life was one thing, and then it all gets shut down, and it’s like, Holy shit. Whatever you believe about that doesn’t matter.
That’s the reality of what happened, and that’s death will just stop our world if it doesn’t stop our physical world because we die, it stops someone in our life. It’s like, live each moment like it’s your last and take the opportunities that come and enjoy it, because, yeah, it’s precious.
It’s fleeting. It’s very short to begin with. Well, COVID taught us a lot of things, didn’t it? I mean, one of the things COVID I think should have taught us was leave nature alone, right? Everybody went into lockdown for that year and a half, right? Nature came back and started to thrive. Everybody talks about they’re concerned about climate issues and that they want to be activists for the nature and to help nature heal and save Mother Earth and man. The best way we could do that is just to get out of the way and let nature have nature back, right? Stop interfering. We don’t have to protest nothing. We just step back. Everybody, quit driving your car. Stay home for two years, four years, five years, ten years. Stay home. Find a different way to live. Back when life was simpler.
Everybody dreams about and talks about the days when life was simpler, when it was small communities and there wasn’t this big worldwide thing going on and all this. And you could go to the local grocery store that sold the local produce that was grown by the local farmers, you know what I’m saying? And the eggs that were sold in the local store were gathered or bought from the local farmers and stuff like that. People helped each other out, looked out for each other in communities, in small groups and communities. Even nature. Culturally, if you look at the Native American culture and the way that they lived was that they moved in a migratory way so that they wouldn’t damage nature, so that nature would be able to recover after.
They left that it would grow back and then they wouldn’t visit that area for a period of time so that it would grow back and come back and be healthy again. We just need to get out of the way. We don’t need to protest anything. We just need to stop doing everything. That sounds crazy, doesn’t it? Do you think people will do that? Probably not.
Yeah, doesn’t seem that way. And the mystery of it too, right, is like that life has a lot of robustness and it can come back. And that sometimes I think about this, there’s so much negativity and so much doom and gloom, and the world’s fucked and there’s nothing we can do about it. And if we really pulled our resources and focused like I was talking to my friend about this, that there was a guy that was able to produce something called biochar, which is basically when you burn wood without a lot of oxygen, and then it produces a charcoal that’s extremely nourishing for the soil. And he had a machine that he built that was like a biochar machine that then also fermented it and turned it into soil. I don’t understand how it worked.
However, he could make topsoil, which usually takes thousands of years and thousands of buffalo shitting and eating grass, and to build good topsoil. He could build good topsoil in a week or something. Very small period of time with this technology. Now, unfortunately, as always, the government came and shut him down. And that’s kind of like, then everyone hates the government, but whatever. We don’t have to talk about conspiracy theories, but to know that’s possible and whether it was a week or a year or three years to build that kind of soil, it’s a very small period of time in the scheme of what it would take.
Nature with our technology and with a human heart that is loving, that wants what’s best for nature, that I believe we could regenerate and actually help nature to flourish in a way that would normally take maybe hundreds of thousands or millions of years. If we really chose that as a species and really put our resources into that. And a good example too is how quickly our technology turns against us and the media spreading fear and negativity and paranoia especially with the whole COVID and war and all these things. Now if we had that same machine working to help people to understand like oh, we should take care of nature and oh, we should live life in a loving way and oh wow, positivity is really healing. If that mechanism was used for good, think of how quickly the world could change.
And I try to always remind myself to think like that because those things are possible and that reality is here. If we choose it, the more people that choose it. I always want to keep hope in my heart because it’s important and it’s fun to imagine that world whether it happens or not. Maybe world will go to shit and there’ll be an apocalypse but at least to imagine it is fun. It’s like wow, what a cool world that would be.
Well, one of the simplest things we can do as citizens of any society is like an aquaponics garden. Just a very simple garden in the backyard that would feed us as individuals. Or if you did a community garden but you use like aquaponics instead of using less cubic feet and you get more yielded to the vegetables and so on and so forth. So there’s techniques and technology out there now to grow food in a way that we wouldn’t have to be driving trucks across the country to ship food. And farming really has been bought out by corporations and you really should take that back. All of our food source is tied to a corporation that’s going to do things to food in order to make the highest yield and make the most money off it to be most profitable.
Not that I’m against earning a living because there’s nothing wrong with earning a living but billions of dollars agreed is like not earning. That’s just obsessive showing off selfishness and that’s just how I see know how much does one man.
You know, I’m.
Not saying they should give it all away but there’s things that they could do in the community. Like I don’t know, somebody was talking like Elon Musk said if somebody could show me how to actually solve the starvation problem, the homeless problem in America I’d give X number of dollars to it. Well, one of the ways of doing it is a community aquaponics garden where you’re just feeding people continuously out of a garden that just continually produce fish and vegetables at the same time as well as you can grow. Fruits and have a controlled environment and just sit there and feed the homeless people. At least with good food in their stomach, maybe they’d make better decisions regarding drug choices and things that they’re doing with their lives. You know what I’m saying?
That opportunity maybe to teach them how to grow food or you know what I’m saying there’s a lot of opportunity there. And housing, come on, let’s be realistic. To put a tiny house on the market is not that much to build. We could build better communities that would give these people homes. We just could do it. And it really wouldn’t take that much money to make their lives mean something.
And this is the idea of also the seven generations too. Sometimes these ideas, there can be that critic or that even negative thought of like, well, the world’s so messed up. It seems so just like a mountain. You’re at the base of the mountain. It’s like, how the hell are we ever going to get over this thing? And you just have to start walking it. And I think that’s what we’re doing, especially those of us that are choosing to live life in a different way, whether it’s physically different people that choose alternative lifestyles, or choosing to focus on positive, loving thoughts and feelings and experiences. And when we look at that mountain and we see it not with our lifetime, but, well, how can seven generations from now get over this mountain? It seems more manageable.
And seven generations is a long time and also not that long. And so we can learn a lot from that principle that basically that what we do today will inevitably affect the 7th, like seven generations from now. And that our duty as responsible people who are designed to live in balance and love is to keep in mind what our actions will compound into in seven generations. And the compounding effects and the profoundness.
Of that too, like building that foundation out a level by a quarter of an inch one side, then you’re a whole inch out on the other side. The same thing with those seven generations. If you bugger it up now, if you fuck it up now, guess what? Seven generations from now, it’s going to be really fucked up.
And it’s kind of like then it’s like, well, whatever, I won’t be around at that time. Maybe some people might think, well, guess what? You will because we reincarnate. You might be one of those really fucked up people.
You’re really suffering bad.
Your dad will be the 7th generation, the result of your actions in this lifetime. So make it a good one. Make it some good choices today for your future lifetime.
Yeah, for your kids kids, for who you’re going to be, the legacy that you live behind. It was really funny when I was like 28 years old and I wanted to get married and settle down and have kids, and that felt like a good time to me, and it felt like the right time to do that for me. And I just really wanted to be a father bad and I asked myself, seriously, why do you want to be a dad? Why do you want that? And this little voice in my head in my heart said, so that you can live on forever. And I realized, as a human being, as a physical being, our desire is to reproduce and carry on. And when I look at nature, I see the truth in that is all of nature is the same one.
Its desire is to just produce fruit and carry on. Yeah, that was a really strange thing to come to, realization that my legacy to live forever in this physical way is tied to my children, what my children do and how they live their lives.
And I feel like that sentiment, too, is, like, the power of that thought in the creative, like, that creation. Like, to create a child, we create a child. And that the creative sexual process is also not necessarily creating a child, like creating a vision or creating an organization or creating an action in the world that reads certain effects. We’re constantly creating the laws of karma. We’re just creating karma constantly. Whether it’s good or bad, it’s just like we’re creating it all the time. And how at this point, we’re at this point of maxing out. There’s just so many freaking humans. And it’s a funny thing, right? It’s like, well, we still want to create, and the urge to create can be fueled in so many ways, and the legacy is, like you’re saying through your children, it’s beautiful.
I don’t have children, so at this point so I can’t speak from that experience. And what I relate when you share that is, like, what you and I are creating in this work we’re doing to support others is like a similar creative process. We’re sharing things with the hope that it will bring benefit to that person’s life and help them to heal and help them to live in that wholeness. And the hope and prayer is that they go out and touch seven more people’s lives in some way, shape, or form, and that it creates a ripple and a creative process that when you compound that over seven generations, it’s very profound. And that’s a creative process. That that’s our form of immortality too.
It’s been a really weird thing because I don’t like people. It’s so that’s been a really weird dynamic for me, because for most of my life, I’ve been in this, like, oh, just get away from me. Just leave me alone.
You just want to be with nature.
Oh, yeah. I remember when I was, like, I don’t know, five years old, were at a church function with my parents, and I think at that time, they were Presbyterians. I don’t remember which denomination or my mom was. She would always just make my dad go he did look snappy in a suit, though. But, yeah, some old man came up to us. We were the four of us, boys and my little sister and this man and this woman came up, and they were talking to my mom and dad and they looked down at my brother Edgar and they says, oh, what do you want to be when you grow up? And he says, Hi, I want to be a know. And he ended up becoming a mechanical engineer, designing plumbing systems for submarines or something. I don’t know what he does.
And then they looked at my brother Harry and they says, what do you want to do when you grow up? And Harry says, I want to fly airplanes. And he did. He ended up 30 years in the Air Force and he never got to fly planes because his eyesight was bad, but he was still in the Air Force for life and loved that lifestyle. My brother George, they asked him what he wanted to be and he says, I want to be a doctor. And sure enough, today he’s a GP, he’s a doctor. So that’s what he wanted to be. They asked me what I wanted to be and I said, I want to be a hermit. And I remember the lady laughed. She laughed with this really high pitched cackle. And she said, you probably don’t even know what a hermit is, do you?
And I said, sure, he’s a guy who lives off of the woods by himself, so everybody will leave him alone. So that was my dream at five. But one of the neatest things about the Creator and loving and having this personal relationship with the Creator is that when you start to live a lifestyle of love, where you’re living love and you have this energy and this thing about you that people are drawn to you because of that energy of love that you carry. And one of the things that the Creator has reminded me of continuously is that you may not like them, but I love them. And so since I love them, you have to be nice to them.
And it’s been interesting because it’s helped me to actually make connections with people and form bonds with people that I otherwise wouldn’t haven’t in the past because of my desire to be left alone. It’s pretty it’s pretty funny how it all worked. So, yeah, the Creator knows us. He knows us all so well. And when we have this personal relationship with us, he knows how to tell us, hey, you got to pull your head out of your ass on that one. They’re worth loving. There’s some good people, there are some good friends. And so we’ve made some really good friends since we’ve started this program and started working with people and sharing things with people. Prior to this, I’ve spent most of my life being invisible, so most people wouldn’t leave me alone. So I certainly have enjoyed it.
It’s been a lot of fun for that reason. I know you’ve probably heard that story a few times.
I love it, man. It’s fun. It’s fun to be doing this with you right now. And just to send this prayer out into the world. Each moment together is a prayer and it’s fun to now, I mean we’ve had so many of these conversations that are just private between you and I and sometimes I think the longest was just under 7 hours. I have an image in my mind of seeing a six, as in 6 hours on my phone and then some other number beside that. And that’s by far the longest phone call I’ve ever had other than when I’m with like an airline just on hold or whatever. So yeah, it’s fun to share here with you and I feel like it’s a good place to close it down. What do you think?
Yeah, I think so. Sure. Sounds good. It’s been real enjoyable. I’ve enjoyed the visit. It’s been really nice. Catch up here a few days or so.
Yeah, we’ll continue to share on here and chat, keep chatting, keep the conversations and we’d love to hear from you guys, whoever’s listening out there. Yeah, the crickets, I know the crickets are listening, so if they can, any questions, any comments? We’d love to hear from you guys. Part of what we want to do here too is to give people an opportunity to ask questions and it helps us because we’re like, man, what are we going to talk about? We could just talk about whatever, but it’s fun to have a subject. So your questions from people are great because it gives a subject, okay, let’s talk about this question, let’s hash it out and see what we come with.
So yeah, please send us an email, leave a comment, send me a message and we’d love to hear from you guys and we’ll see you all, hear you all. Soon as he likes.
See you later, I guess.
You always say talk at you later. But you always say to me when.
We hang out, talk at you later.
Man, talk at you later. Bye.
